Posts by Juan Viejo2

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Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

by Alfred in

so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

Juan Viejo2

For anyone interested, here is Alfred's post with some additional information and links.

http://ex-jw.com/the-finished-mystery-the-book-jesus-approved

Thanks, Alfred, for sharing it...

JV

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If you had the choice to name yourself, what names would you choose for first name and last name?

by Iamallcool in

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be creative.

have some fun.

.

Juan Viejo2

Denise Viejo

JV

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Menlo Park Kingdom Hall 3

by Juan Viejo2 in

for those of you that have been following the ongoing story of the forced take over of the menlo park, california kingdom hall, please go to:.

http://ex-jw.com/fear-and-loathing-in-menlo-park.

i'm sorry, the article is still a little rough and still needs a lot of editing, but i wanted to get it up by today at the latest.

Juan Viejo2

In case anyone is still following this story, there are some updates posted at Ex-JW.com. There is a lot more to come in the weeks ahead.

I urge anyone who reads this website and lives in the Menlo Park, Palo Alto, or Redwood City (CA) areas, to please contact me through that website. I urge anyone with additional information or insight to share their knowledge with me so that I can round out the story and fill in some of the gaps. I see a lot of hits to the website coming in from the SF south bay area, so I know that there are more of you out there following this story.

JV

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WT's idea of Disaster Relief

by Juan Viejo2 in

http://www.jw-media.org/jpn/20110316.htm.

"in cooperation with local authorities and other relief agencies, the witnesses arranged to help meet the immediate needs of their fellow worshippers and other victims in japan, establishing three teams to help organize disaster relief.

these teams are working diligently to contact congregations of jehovahs witnesses in the devastated areas and care for the spiritual, physical, and material needs of their fellow believers.

Juan Viejo2

Want to see how the official Watchtower media website describes the "disaster relief" activities?

Just go to http://www.jw-media.org/ .

There is a section that says "Disaster Relief Efforts" which includes Witnesses meeting in Kingdom Halls and doing a new quick build. Not a single photo of anyone passing out food, rendering first aid, rebuilding private homes - nothing.

Currently their "top story" is about the "relief work in Japan. The tagline says:

"In the two weeks since the devastating earthquake and tsunami struck Japan, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been working hard to provide assistance to their fellow believers and other victims in the affected areas. Emerging details are helping the Witnesses and others performing relief work to get a clearer picture of what is needed to help the victims..."

But nothing specific is outlined - just that they are getting a "clearer picture of what is needed..."

Apparently they recognized that the original article they posted that said "aid was being rushed to the brothers in the affected areas," the updated article posted March 25th states:

" The Witnesses’ branch office in Japan established contact with local congregations to assist them in obtaining information on the 115 Witnesses who were reported missing as of March 15; that number has now been reduced to 16. While initial reports indicated that five places of worship used by the Witnesses, called Kingdom Halls, were destroyed, the branch office has now confirmed that three Kingdom Halls were destroyed and another three Kingdom Halls were damaged extensively or flooded. Sadly, the branch office also confirmed that the death toll among the Witnesses has risen to four."

So what is the nature of their relief efforts, financed by the their millions of dollars "donated by the worldwide work"?

"One of the teams of Witnesses providing relief to the disaster victims reported that 11 truckloads of supplies were sent to one affected area during the first few days. Despite the many challenges faced by the victims, congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the areas devastated by the tsunami have continued to hold worship services, providing spiritual comfort and encouragement to both the Witnesses themselves and their non-Witness neighbors in the area."

Hey, maybe we could cancel the meetings and go to the damaged areas and help look for people or set up first aid and feeding stations? No, we continue to hold worship services and provide "spiritual comfort and encouragement." Way to go Watchtower! Eleven truckloads? Knowing the Watchtower, they were probably short bed Nissan pickups loaded with out of date Watchtower and Awake! magazines for people to read while they are waiting for some food, water, and meaningful assistance.

JV

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Start preparing now for 2011 memorial night demonstration ! Sunday, April 17, 2011, after sundown

by koolaid-man in

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now is a good time to start making preparations for the memorial night demonstration at your kingdom hall sunday, april 17, 2011, after sundown.

the evils of the watchtower org.have to be exposed and this is an ideal time to do it.

many around the world have been adversely affected by their association with jehovah's witnesses.

Juan Viejo2

But I "don't have to show you no stinkin' badge..."

JV

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Start preparing now for 2011 memorial night demonstration ! Sunday, April 17, 2011, after sundown

by koolaid-man in

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now is a good time to start making preparations for the memorial night demonstration at your kingdom hall sunday, april 17, 2011, after sundown.

the evils of the watchtower org.have to be exposed and this is an ideal time to do it.

many around the world have been adversely affected by their association with jehovah's witnesses.

Juan Viejo2

If you do decide to picket or protest at or near a Kingdom Hall remember the rules that apply to most communities:

If a Kingdom Hall is on a public street, you can picket on the public sidewalk - but you can not block or hinder traffic going in or out. Protest is exercising your freedom of speech. Blocking driveways or roadways is a violation of traffic laws and not protected..

Most newer Kingdom Halls (quick-builds) have parking wrapping around the main building. To get very close to the entrance of the building would involve trespass. If you go onto the parking lot, even though the public is invited, you are trespassing if your intent is to disrupt the meeting or to discourage anyone from attending. To avoid possible arrest, you must stay on clearly public areas. JWs WILL report trespass and also accuse you of disorderly conduct. They can not do this if you stay on the public sidewalk or along the curbs.

Some communities require groups of five or more to get a police "parade permit." This is usually just formality to inform the police that you will be there demonstrating and not creating a nuisance. The permits will sometimes limit the hours that you can demonstrate so as not to disturb the peace and tranquilty of a neighborhood. Many communities will not charge you for the permit.

Some communities limit protests to the "business hours" of a company or church or public gathering. In other words, if you are a union striking a Walmart, then you can protest only during the business/operating hours of that particular store. For a church or community meetings in residential neighborhoods, you would be limited to the hours when meetings were actually being held. So you'd need to wait until an elder showed up and unlocked the doors before you could start and then you'd have to stop when they locked the doors after the meetings.

Laws vary by communities, so if you do intend to follow koolaid-man's suggestion to picket or protest on Memorial night, be sure to check with your local police department first just to make sure that you are aware of the local laws. Your signs can say anything you want and you can pass out flyers that say whatever you want them to say - but you can't trespass, block traffic, or create a public nuisance.

Used to be a reserve deputy sheriff and had to deal with these things all the time.

JV

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Does this mean what I think it means?

by MrFreeze in

it's been about a month and a half since i last talked to the elders.

today i got a call from one of them.

he left me a voicemail saying he would like to have me meet with them on sunday after the meeting to discuss some things and to see if there is any way they can be of help.. i haven't been to a meeting since the end of october/beginning of november.

Juan Viejo2

It's like being called to the police station. Oh no - you're not under arrest. No, you won't need an attorney. We just want to ask you a few questions like where were you at 8:30 AM on 9/11/2001? Can you prove it? Do you have any witnesses that can verify where you were at that hour? Do you now or have you ever had a friend, a relative, a co-worker who was a Muslim, looked like a middle-eastern or western Asian, someone who spoke with an accent, or had a Arabic or middle eastern name like Ali, Muhammad, Abdullah? Did you vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama? We're just going to take your fingerprints, a drop of blood, and an oral swab - but you are not under arrest. We just want to talk...

That's all. The committee just wants to ask you a few questions...

Don't go. Tell them if they have anything they want to talk to you about they can call you on the phone or come to your house. That way you can hang up on them or throw them out. They are in their power base when they are at the Kingdom Hall. Have them come to yours.

JV

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"Trust the Faithful and Discreet Slave" Transcript [2010/2011 Kingdom Ministry School]

by pirata in

transcript for the talk "trust the faithful and discreet slave" talk given at the kingdom ministry schools:.

trust the faithful and discreet slave.

have we ever had to meet up with somebody with whom we've not seen before?

Juan Viejo2

Thank you Pirata and Quendi for your excellent posts on this subject.

JV

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Is everyone on here disassociated??

by happi2b in

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so i don't understand it seems to me from the posts that i have read just about everyone is disassociated.. just wondering if that's true or if i am not the only one on here still within the organization..

Juan Viejo2

Happy,

When this thread runs its course within the next few days, print it out or save the link, and hide it somewhere safe. Then do whatever you plan to do or go where your conscience leads you. But if you become a full-time baptized JW, I guarantee that some day you will be very sorry you made that choice.

But if that is your choice, then in five years pull this thread out of your "hidy-hole" and read it again. See how you feel about your choice then. See who was telling the truth. See if you still enjoy going to meetings, especially Watchtower studies. See how door-to-door service actually works out and how much you enjoy it. Think back at how much time you spent actually talking to people at their doors, as opposed to just driving around, stopping for coffee, waiting in the car while one of your carpool mates goes on a "go-back" or return visit. See how many people will want to study the Watchtower books with you, and how long those that agree to do so will agree to continue to study with you. (Average number of weekly studies before they stop inviting you over? 3 or 4 times is typical.)

Yes, read this thread. One thing I can be absolutely sure of is that you will someday regret your choice to become a baptized JW. You may not say that to your family or JW friends because you will be afraid to that, or even admit it to us - but in your heart you will saying to yourself, "Those posters on JWN warned me. What the hell was I thinking?"

Live a life of love and freedom. Don't become a slave to the Watchtower Publishing Corporation.

JV

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Best way to step down from being a servant

by RayPublisher in

hey i'm wondering if anyone can give some good advice on how to step down in the safest way.. i have served as an ms for a number of years, but can't do it anymore.

i know too much i want to fade in the future when i get some family things straightened out.

i can't move right now so that's out unfortunately.. what should i tell the body?

Juan Viejo2

Tell them you are trading in your 4-door sedan for a 2-door convertible.

Tell them you've become a football/NASCAR/baseball/soccer/golf addict and all of the best shows are on Sundays, all day. Your only hope is to go to an expensive psychiatrist - but you have no money because you also have a gambling addiction.

Tell them you have to go back to school (junior college or trade school, of course) to learn computer technology, Internet and website design. You have to go to class on Ministry School meeting nights and study and work on your computer on the weekends.

Tell them that you have piles (hemmorhoids) and can't sit through meetings any more because they've (both the piles and the meetings) become a "pain in the ass."

Tell them you can't go door to door because you have gout and Morton's neuroma (a very painful nerve mass in the foot), so the only "witnessing" you can do is on Facebook, Topix, and Yahoo!Answers.

Tell them you've recently realized that you've become one of the "anointed." Jehovah's "holy spirit" speaks to you directly since you've become a member of the "faithful and discreet slave" class. (Wait for their answer on this one: Will it be "only the Governing Body members are the FDS"?)

Grow a mustache or beard. Wear a pony-tail.

Start wearing plaid shirts with striped ties to meetings.

Wear mismatched suit pants and jackets with white socks and running shoes (the Morton's neuroma thingy acting up).

Come in five minutes late to every meeting, and then get up and leave five minutes early.

Hope one of my suggestions helps...

JV